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		<title>I Think I Must Admit that Laserdisc Is Dead</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have the sinking feeling that I might be forced to define my terms&#8230;. My pal Aj alerted me to this boingboing post about the news that Pioneer is ending production of laserdisc players. The funny thing is, I honestly didn&#8217;t think Pioneer was still making laserdisc players. That&#8217;s not a joke. Although I&#8217;ve been [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the sinking feeling that I might be forced to define my terms&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.syndicateproduct.com/">My pal Aj</a> alerted me to <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/01/14/all-laserdisc-player.html">this boingboing post</a> about the news that Pioneer is ending production of laserdisc players. The funny thing is, I honestly didn&#8217;t think Pioneer was still making laserdisc players. <div id="attachment_1787" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 250px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwichary/2151376130/"><img src="http://www.mediageek.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/laserdisc_player1.jpg" alt="Image credit: Marcin Wichary / flickr" title="Laserdisc Player" width="240" height="160" class="size-full wp-image-1787" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Image credit: Marcin Wichary / flickr</p></div></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a joke. Although I&#8217;ve been a fan of the format, and new players are still available, I was under the impression that whatever you can buy are just backstock from the early 2000s. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a laserdisc player since 1993, and currently have a collection of around 100 discs. Similarly to my vinyl collection, I cleaned up buying used discs around &#8217;97-&#8217;98 when DVD hit the market and the early adopter videophiles dumped their LD collections for the next big thing. In that crucial transition period there was <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video.laserdisc/browse_thread/thread/e98dbd49ea2ada2e">quite a bit of debate</a> amongst hardcore videophiles and home theater enthusiasts&#8211;a tiny population compared to today&#8211;about the comparative benefits and deficits of DVDs versus laserdisc. </p>
<p><div id="attachment_1792" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 170px"><a href=""><img src="http://www.mediageek.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kevin_smith2.jpg" alt="Photo credit: Rockies / flickr" title="Kevin Smith" width="160" height="240" class="size-full wp-image-1792" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Photo credit: Rockies / flickr</p></div>Perhaps the most infamous salvo in that particular battle came from indie filmmaker Kevin Smith in the original commentary track to the <a href="http://thecinemalaser.com/ld_reviews/chasing-amy-ld.htm">Criterion laserdisc release of his second film, &#8220;Chasing Amy.&#8221;</a> (Yes, commentary tracks first debuted on laserdiscs taking advantage of their discrete analog and digital audio tracks, and Criterion got it&#8217;s start on laserdisc.) Smith begins his commentary&#8211;recorded around 1997&#8211;with, &#8220;Fuck DVD.&#8221; <a href="http://forums.dvdfile.com/soapbox/38178-f-dvd-kevin-smith-dvd-commercial.html">Words I&#8217;m sure he had to live down</a> in just a few year. </p>
<p>Of course we now know that DVD soundly trounced laserdisc, which never grew past being a small cult format to begin with. While a lot of the late 90s debate sounded a lot like the analog vs. digital debate of the LP vs. CD argument, I think it&#8217;s safe to say that the relative charms of analog video in the form of laserdisc were not as alluring nor palpable as with vinyl records. I could go into a long dissertation on how that relates to the differences between audio and video recording (which is different than analog motion picture film), but I&#8217;ll spare you.</p>
<p><div id="attachment_1788" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 250px"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianblack/2282732709/"><img src="http://www.mediageek.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/various_laserdisc.jpg" alt="Photo credit: craig1black / flickr" title="All sizes of laserdisc" width="240" height="172" class="size-full wp-image-1788" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Photo credit: craig1black / flickr</p></div>Unlike VHS, cassettes, LPs and photographic film, I think laserdisc is really dead. While the machines that record and play those other formats may be less widely available than in their heyday, you can still buy blank media and new player/recorders. With laserdisc it&#8217;s been a good eight years or so since a new laserdisc release has been commercially available. Furthermore, it was never a consumer-recordable format, so no recording your own discs. Without a commercially available program on laserdisc, the player isn&#8217;t much use.</p>
<p>Now, there were thousand of movies and other programs released on laserdisc during the format&#8217;s 20+ year run, and there are still some films on laserdisc that have yet to see the light on DVD (though the number is dwindling). So if you have a decent laserdisc collection and a player, the format&#8217;s not dead to you.</p>
<p>But in the broader view, laserdisc must be declared a dead format . We won&#8217;t be seeing any new laserdisc releases, and I&#8217;d be surprised if there were any pressing plants still left in operation. Now there will be no more new players, when even enthusiasts like me thought they weren&#8217;t being made anyway.<br />
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By &#8220;dead&#8221;  I mean that aside from whatever media  you might already own, or what you might buy used, you will not see anything new coming on the format. Furthermore, you will soon be quite out of luck trying to find a new replacement player should you have one that dies &#8212; you&#8217;ll be forced to rely on the used market.</p>
<p>So, by this definition, I do think we can say formats like 8-track tape and Betamax are also dead. However, dead does not equal useless. So, if your laserdisc player, 8-track tape deck and Beta VCR still provide you with fun and pleasure, then there&#8217;s no reason to give them up, so long as you&#8217;re prepared to deal with the inevitable difficulties of relying on a dead technology. For some people, that challenge is a source of fun, learning how to creatively use media and machines that other people toss aside. It can also be a good way to amass a collection of classic albums or movies for pennies on the dollar.</p>
<p>But there it is highly unlikely there will be any growth or resurgence of laserdiscs, 8-tracks or Betamax. Although the death of vinyl, cassettes and film has been declared many times over in the last decade or two, at no point did the manufacture of new media (blank or prerecorded) or machines actually stop. Laserdiscs, my friends, quit being made available in the US eight years ago, while the distribution of pre-recorded VHS movies is only coming to a halt now. </p>
<p>Unlike folks who are still using their VHS VCRs, I don&#8217;t think there are any laserdisc owners who somehow think that the format is thriving.  In fact, given that laserdisc was more of a high-end rather than mass-market item,  I&#8217;d guess that nearly every current laserdisc user also owns a DVD player, and some have probably already upgraded to BluRay. That means they&#8217;re probably not being left behind on new movie releases unless they&#8217;ve made a very definitive choice not to upgrade to DVD.  </p>
<p>Nevertheless, my position and advice on laserdisc is the same as VHS. If you have a laserdisc player and a collection of discs that you enjoy, there&#8217;s no reason to abandon them.  For the most part I have not replaced any of my laserdisc movies with DVD versions&#8211;the extra expense isn&#8217;t worth it because the differences are minor. If your laserdisc player dies, then you have to weigh the hassle and cost of getting a replacement (new or used) versus the cost of getting your favorite movies on laserdisc replaced with DVDs. </p>
<p>Laserdisc was never a mainstream format. Despite Pioneer&#8217;s best efforts, outside of Japan it never caught on with the mainstream. Therefore, in my mind the consumer capitalist forces that forced its demise are less pernicious than when those attempting to force the obsolescence of something found in nearly every home, like LPs and VHS. </p>
<p>So, with that I must be willing to admit that laserdisc is dead, and long live laserdisc!</p>


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		<title>Don&#8217;t Be Spooked by Threats of Obsolesence</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the unfortunate effects of our capitalist economy is the constant drive for new and better. Well, really it&#8217;s mostly new and novel, with better being a secondary consideration. That means obsolescence is something that constantly looms over industrial products, especially tech products. But obsolete does not equate with useless or worthless&#8211;not remotely. With [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the unfortunate effects of our capitalist economy is the constant drive for new and better. Well, really it&#8217;s mostly new and novel, with better being a secondary consideration. That means obsolescence is something that constantly looms over industrial products, especially tech products. But obsolete does not equate with useless or worthless&#8211;not remotely.</p>
<p>With the rising popularity of digitally downloaded music, whether through file sharing or an online store, <a href="http://mmorpg.qj.net/Phil-Harrison-physical-media-to-be-obsolete-babies-will-want-digital/pg/49/aid/127010">the imminent death of the physical compact disc</a> continues to be predicted. The cries have become louder in the last few weeks as <a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081126-atlantic-makes-label-history-as-digital-sales-surpass-cds.html">Atlantic Records announced</a> that its digital download sales (which includes ringtones) surpassed its sales of physical CDs. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that these days I probably listen to more MP3s than CDs, especially on the go. Yet, I still have a collection of over 1000 CDs, most of which I have not ripped to MP3&#8211;my MP3 collection is comprised mostly of purchased music and stuff I&#8217;ve traded with friends.  I do still listen to CDs, especially when I want to listen critically.  I realize that absolute fidelity is only one factor in how we choose to listen to music, it&#8217;s still important to me and many other people. While MP3s and other compressed files can sound quite good, they are no match for the uncompressed source. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not surprised to read a <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GearFactor/~3/478386141/portable-cd-pla.html">Wired Gadget Lab post</a> directing me to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/3659992/Discman-makes-a-comeback-as-cheap-gadgets-win-the-day-over-complex-technology.html">this story from the UK&#8217;s Telegraph</a> reporting that the sales of portable CD players there are up 50 percent over last year. Amongst the reasons they cite are price ( I&#8217;ve seen units here sell for $15 or less) and the fact that many people find using a computer to download to an MP3 player to be difficult.</p>
<p>One very obvious reason I want to add to the list is that maybe a whole lot of people aren&#8217;t interested in giving up their CDs in the first place. If you aren&#8217;t interested in dealing with the iTunes music store (especially if you don&#8217;t want to pay the iPod price premium) or any other online music store, and you don&#8217;t relish the task of having to rip and compress your CDs yourself I can see how the supposed convenience offered by MP3 players and digital files can look pretty darn inconvenient.</p>
<p>Folks over 30 can probably remember when they got their first CD player, moving over from listening primarily to vinyl LPs or cassettes. I knew a lot of people who all but dumped their analog music collections for CDs in the early 90s, lured in by the promises of better sound quality and convenience. By and large those promises were fulfilled, compared to the lo- to mid-fi sound experiences most people were accustomed to getting from inexpensive cassette and record players. But it was also a pretty big cash outlay for a lot of people, many of whom replaced their music collections with the same titles on CD as the popular press sounded the funeral march for the soon-to-be-obsolete vinyl LP.</p>
<p>Now twenty-six years after the introduction of the CD we have none other than the New York Times <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/technology/techspecial2/02table.html?scp=2&#038;sq=vinyl%20record&#038;st=cse">writing about the resurgent interest in vinyl records</a>, sales of which are up 36% this year.  Weren&#8217;t these fragile, scratchable, pop-and-click-filled analog dinosaurs supposed to be a curious historical artifact by now?</p>
<p>Myself, I never abandoned my record collection. When I bought my first CD player in 1987 I also bought my first decent turntable. From 1988 through the mid-90s I really cleaned up buying used vinyl for a song as other music lovers dumped their obsolete analog archives. I still buy both used and new vinyl, though since the big purge of the early-90s the good stuff isn&#8217;t quite as cheap anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure a fair majority of the folks who dumped their vinyl for CDs have never looked back. But I&#8217;ve talked to and read about plenty more people who are buying new turntables to play their last remaining albums that never turned up on CD, or who are even going out and rebuying LPs they got rid of because their CDs just don&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>So keep this in mind when you hear bloggers and the press declaring the end of the CD and all physical media. It makes complete sense to me that sales of portable CD players are up because I can believe there are plenty of people who just want something will play all the music they&#8217;ve acquired without all the hassle of ripping and storing MP3s. Why &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to MP3s and iPods if CDs still work just fine and you&#8217;ve already got an investment in music on CD? </p>
<p>Of course, I do think the trend towards digital files and mass storage is real and underway &#8212; I do have a couple hundred gigs of MP3s on a server at home. But these technologies tend to live side-by-side for far longer than the technorati recognize. The cassette didn&#8217;t kill the LP, the DVD still hasn&#8217;t killed VHS, and the iPod won&#8217;t kill the CD. Even formats often joked about as comparative failures lived almost as long as the CD has&#8211;from laserdiscs (in production 1978-1999) to 8-tracks (1964 &#8211; 1988)&#8211;and still have their <a href="http://www.8trackheaven.com">fans</a> using them everyday.</p>
<p>The newest and shiniest technology can be very seductive, but utility is what wins the day. For a lot of formats there eventually does come a day when finding a working player becomes harder and harder. But for something as ubiquitous as the LP, cassette or CD that moment is a long way away. </p>
<p>The folks snapping up CD players this holiday season aren&#8217;t technophobes or luddites, they&#8217;re just reasonable folks who maybe don&#8217;t want to foolishly abandon the shiny little discs they spent good money for.</p>


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